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The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 Wednesday that child rapists cannot be executed, concluding that capital punishment for crimes against individuals can be applied only to murderers.

Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in the majority opinion that execution in this case would violate the Eighth Amendment's prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment, citing "evolving standards of decency" in the United States.

Such standards, the justice wrote, forbid capital punishment for any crime against an individual other than murder.

"We conclude that, in determining whether the death penalty is excessive, there is a distinction between intentional first-degree murder on the one hand and nonhomicide crimes against individual persons, even including child rape, on the other," wrote Kennedy, who is not related to the convicted rapist.

Patrick Kennedy, 43, would have been the first convicted rapist in the United States since 1964 to be executed in a case in which the victim was not killed.

Kennedy was convicted of sexually assaulting his stepdaughter in her bed. The attack caused severe emotional trauma, internal injuries and bleeding to the child, requiring extensive surgery, Louisiana prosecutors said.
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In the majority opinion, Anthony Kennedy acknowledged "the victim's fright, the sense of betrayal, and the nature of her injuries caused more prolonged physical and mental suffering than, say, a sudden killing by an unseen assassin."

But the justice -- supported by Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer -- wrote that when determining what punishment the Eighth Amendment prohibits, "evolving standards of decency that mark the progress of a maturing society" must be taken into account.

After a review of the "history of the death penalty for this and other nonhomicide crimes, current state statutes and new enactments ... we conclude there is a national consensus against capital punishment for the crime of child rape," Anthony Kennedy wrote.

Alito also wrote that the majority ruled against the death penalty "no matter how young the child, no matter how many times the child is raped, no matter how many children the perpetrator rapes, no matter how sadistic the crime, no matter how much physical or psychological trauma is inflicted and no matter how heinous the perpetrator's criminal record may be."

Wednesday's ruling will affect six states that allow the death penalty for rape, including Louisiana, where Patrick Kennedy was recently joined on death row by another convicted child rapist, Richard Davis.

Because of the ruling, the sentences of Davis and Kennedy will automatically be commuted to life in prison without the possibility of parole, the Capital Appeals Project said.

"Mr. Kennedy, who has consistently maintained his innocence, plans to continue to pursue his appeals in state and federal court," the appeals project said.

Florida, Montana, Oklahoma and South Carolina have death-penalty laws for rape but have not applied them in decades. Texas enacted a version a year ago, but no defendant has been designated death-eligible for child rape in any state but Louisiana.

Other state and federal crimes theoretically eligible for execution include treason, aggravated kidnapping, drug trafficking, aircraft hijacking and espionage. None of these crimes has been prosecuted as a capital offense in decades, if ever.

U.S. Supreme Court rulings in 1976 and 1977 barred capital punishment for rape. But in 1995, Louisiana passed a law allowing execution for the sexual violation of a child under 12. State lawmakers argued that the earlier high court cases pertained only to "adult women."

Supporters of Louisiana's law say that besides murder, no crime is more deserving of the death penalty than child rape and that the punishment would be used only in the most heinous of circumstances.

"A lot of people think there should not be a death penalty because the child survives," sex crimes prosecutor Kat Bartholomew said. "In my opinion, the rape of a child is more heinous and more hideous than a homicide."

She said a sexual assault on a child "takes away their innocence. It takes away their childhood. It mutilates their spirit. It kills their soul."


A person who would rape a child and cause them this kind of harm, in my strong opinion, deserves to be tortured to death. Harming a child in this way is unthinkably heinous, and if anything else out there was deserving of the death penalty, child rape most certainly fits all of the cruel and unusual criteria! Nobody had better even think about touching any child I know, let alone my own daughter, because I would kill them myself. I really would!

I don't know about anyone else, but we don't need rapists in our so-called "maturing society". They will execute a person for treason or espionage, but not for cruelly defiling a child?! Rapists are the lowest of the low and child rapists are even worse scum. I am outraged over this ruling!!!

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like we'v discussed before, i think lonelyness is the greatest punishment. Death is too quick, if they are alone in a small room for years - they'll be lucky if they find a way to kill themselfs.
MadamZuZu Wrote:like we'v discussed before, i think lonelyness is the greatest punishment. Death is too quick, if they are alone in a small room for years - they'll be lucky if they find a way to kill themselfs.

I hope they are tortured in prison. And die slow painful deaths. It does happen...

Every time I hear about this kind of a crime, and about war torn countries where the children are suffering from this kind of abuse, it makes my heart sick. There is no understanding for this kind of a crime and there is no reason for it.
well, child abusers and rapists and looked down upon in jail. lets just say they are not favorite poeple among the prisoners or the guards. i think it'll be more painful for them to go to prison, then die out of court.
I hope so.
Yeah I don't think death is a form of punishment in cases like those...it's more of a repreive.. In my honest opinion I think we should castrate them (without anesthesia) and have them sit in jail. Also let us not forget that we should take a few of them and make examples by simply performing the castration in public....to serve as a reminder to all of those other pedophiles and rapist out there...That yes there is a punishment worst than death and we intend to utilize it....To be honest with you it's funny because I am an advocate of the death penalty however I feel that the punishment must fit the crime. And only in cases where lives were lost do lives need to be taken. Otherwise I would deem it as excessive.
Castration I agree with. What can be more fitting than taking away the weapon used in a crime?
I am very torn appart about this situation. yes jail time is great because it forces the rappists into a horrible life in jail. And most of them become victums of abuse there, giving them taste of their own medicine. Death - well capital punishment is a lenghty and costly prosedure, i am not sure why we waste so much money, but it does cost a lot to kill someone. Same as costs that are involved in supporting inmates. Moneys, tax payers moneys, that are spent on people who are not even worth it. So i do not know what would be the best.
I think death should be an option depending on severity of the crime, so maybe it puts some kind of scare on rapists before they even commit the crime. But the unfortunate thing is that they dont get enough time in prison and than come out to live in an ordinary neighborhood with a label of a Sex Offender.
NBeyalh Wrote:I am very torn appart about this situation. yes jail time is great because it forces the rappists into a horrible life in jail. And most of them become victums of abuse there, giving them taste of their own medicine. Death - well capital punishment is a lenghty and costly prosedure, i am not sure why we waste so much money, but it does cost a lot to kill someone. Same as costs that are involved in supporting inmates. Moneys, tax payers moneys, that are spent on people who are not even worth it. So i do not know what would be the best.

The only reason it costs us so much to execute people is because of the cost of all the appeals that are allowed...if you want to save money...reduce the ability to appeal. Also if we killed them in groups as opposed to individually (okay everyone line up we are headed to the gas chamber)....we could save millions of dollars yearly...I definately agree with you about wasting money on people who aren't even worth it..kill'em all and let God sort through the peices I say...Hellfire and Ammunition[Image: 19.gif]
pedophilia is a psychological disorder, i dont think there is a cure. So the best way would probably be to take these people out of society, once they commit a crime such as rape. Given that this is a psycho disorder, i wonder why the mental institution is not an option...

there are female pedophiles as well, if you remember Pamela Rogers...

Quote:A former elementary school teacher, who served nine months in jail forhaving sex with a 13-year-old student, was arrested again for violatingher probation.

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What I am really confused about is where does the Supreme Cort get off governing laws that should be up to legislatures to vote on in each and individual state? Why the heck do we even elect legislatures any more if their arms are tied by the centralized government?
Leo Wrote:What I am really confused about is where does the Supreme Cort get off governing laws that should be up to legislatures to vote on in each and individual state? Why the heck do we even elect legislatures any more if their arms are tied by the centralized government?

+1
Ulik got a point, pedophilia is classified as a mental disorder. I'm sure lots of convicted pedophiles end up in high security psychiatric wards. Chemical castration is often used as well. Altho not in all cases...and sadly, child child molesters are repeated offenders, like rapists...because it's beyond their control... I don't agree with the death penalty. I'm actually against it. So I woukld say no to death penalty. Yes to life in prison, and the natural consequences of being a pedophile in prison that Tanya made reference to. And I say yes to rehabilitation programs, psychiatric high security prisons, and chemical castration.
Minicat Wrote:child molesters are repeated offenders, like rapists...because it's beyond their control...



I hope that you are not suggesting that an individual commiting a rape has no control over their actions? Let us not get into the whole thing of a criminal being the true victim of the society or their surcomstances. Everyone has a degree of a personal responsibility. Commiting a crime is a choice that a person makes.
Pedophilia may be classified as a mental disorder, but I don't agree that all of the criminals who choose to partake in it have a mental disorder. There are a lot of disgusting people out there who just choose to be that way.
Minicat Wrote:Ulik got a point, pedophilia is classified as a mental disorder. I'm sure lots of convicted pedophiles end up in high security psychiatric wards. Chemical castration is often used as well. Altho not in all cases...and sadly, child child molesters are repeated offenders, like rapists...because it's beyond their control... I don't agree with the death penalty. I'm actually against it. So I woukld say no to death penalty. Yes to life in prison, and the natural consequences of being a pedophile in prison that Tanya made reference to. And I say yes to rehabilitation programs, psychiatric high security prisons, and chemical castration.

When I said castration I meant in the most barbaric of ways...chemical (unless it's sulfuric acid) castration seems too humane...I think we should set examples of some of these people out here...I have to also agree on the personal responibility comment. Everyone has to some degree of control over their actions. They seem to just lack the personal motivation...after a few of those castrastions....maybe they'll jump to their senses...
I wish that were possible. I know it wouldn't be allowed by the government because of a person's right to procreate, and it's deemed cruel and unusual. But couldn't a rapist still be castrated and have their sperm frozen in order to preserve that right and prevent future incident? I mean, they used their sex organs as a weapon, why shouldn't their penis be 'confiscated'?? I don't think it's any more cruel and unusual of a punishment than it was for the rape of an innocent child.
Leo Wrote:
Minicat Wrote:child molesters are repeated offenders, like rapists...because it's beyond their control...



I hope that you are not suggesting that an individual commiting a rape has no control over their actions? Let us not get into the whole thing of a criminal being the true victim of the society or their surcomstances. Everyone has a degree of a personal responsibility. Commiting a crime is a choice that a person makes.


that's not what i said at all.

what i said was that, similarly to other sex offenders, pedophiles tend to repeat the crime...because, in a lot of cases, it's a pathology. not saying they are victims or oppressed members of society.
basically, without getting too technical about it, child rapists have prob. one of the highest rate for repeated offenses.
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